[RFC,2/2] docs: document usage of sdk container images

Message ID 20210112103338.14712-3-silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com
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Series support generation of sdk container images | expand

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Silvano Cirujano Cuesta Jan. 12, 2021, 12:33 a.m. UTC
Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>
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 doc/user_manual.md | 70 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 70 insertions(+)

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Henning Schild Jan. 12, 2021, 1:40 a.m. UTC | #1
Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
<silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:

> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
> insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>                all          Inf ~#
>  ```
>  
> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
> +
> +### Motivation
> +
> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following the
> instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK root
> filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach + +Create
> container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image mounting
> the source code to be built,
> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted directory.
> +
> +### Solution
> +
> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a space-separated
> list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported formats are:
> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
> be imported with [`docker
> import`](https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/import/)
> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker Daemon
> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a container)
> resulting container image is made available to tools using
> containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +

Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a better
option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used inside docker or
podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone to run isar plain.
Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good idea and much better
than postprocessing outside of the build system.

Henning

> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target image,
> f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should be
> additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt` contains a
> copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target debian packages
> (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK container and install
> required target packages with the help of `apt-get install
> <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The directory with the source
> code to develop on should be mounted on the container (with `--volume
> <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to edit files in
> the host with an IDE and build in the container. + +### Example +
> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
> +
> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
> +
> +```
> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
> +```
> +
> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
> +
> +```
> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
> +```
> +
> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
> +
> +```
> +xzcat
> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
> | docker load +``` +
> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following commands
> starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
> +```
> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
> +
> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
> +
> +```
> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3                   all
>         Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
> +
>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
>  
>  ### Motivation
Silvano Cirujano Cuesta Jan. 12, 2021, 2:03 a.m. UTC | #2
On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>
>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>> insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>                all          Inf ~#
>>  ```
>>  
>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>> +
>> +### Motivation
>> +
>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following the
>> instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
>> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK root
>> filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach + +Create
>> container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
>> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
>> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image mounting
>> the source code to be built,
>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted directory.
>> +
>> +### Solution
>> +
>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a space-separated
>> list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported formats are:
>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
>> be imported with [`docker
>> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Csilvano.cirujano-cuesta%40siemens.com%7C6d633ba6640c4aead4d708d8b6eed929%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460484244549509%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=7IUAPBdmVGffqPs08B%2BaU%2FGzX7PWi4ABLxOJ70KjrAg%3D&amp;reserved=0)
>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker Daemon
>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>> resulting container image is made available to tools using
>> containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +
> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a better
> option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used inside docker or
> podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone to run isar plain.
> Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good idea and much better
> than postprocessing outside of the build system.

What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci, Skopeo,... are for.

My first PoC was in fact just a shell script post-processing the TAR file. Technically feasible, but it doesn't feel like a comfortable workflow...

The initial idea was from Jan Kiszka (I forgot to add a "Suggested-by" to the commits) and after some discussion about the convenience of integrating it, I agreed that the workflow feels much better this way.

Skopeo can be used inside of Docker or Podman, it's in fact what I'm doing. What doesn't work is adding the container image to a Docker Daemon (unless you pass the Docker socket to the container, what I wouldn't do) or containers/storage system (mounting the storage directory, what I wouldn't do). IMO the target users should know how to handle docker-archives (I can add that "docker load" has to be used).

  Silvano

>
> Henning
>
>> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
>> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target image,
>> f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
>> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should be
>> additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
>> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
>> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
>> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
>> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
>> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt` contains a
>> copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target debian packages
>> (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK container and install
>> required target packages with the help of `apt-get install
>> <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The directory with the source
>> code to develop on should be mounted on the container (with `--volume
>> <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to edit files in
>> the host with an IDE and build in the container. + +### Example +
>> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
>> +
>> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
>> +
>> +```
>> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
>> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
>> +```
>> +
>> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
>> +
>> +```
>> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
>> +```
>> +
>> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
>> +
>> +```
>> +xzcat
>> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
>> | docker load +``` +
>> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following commands
>> starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
>> +```
>> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
>> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
>> +
>> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
>> +
>> +```
>> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
>> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3                   all
>>         Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
>> +
>>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
>>  
>>  ### Motivation
Henning Schild Jan. 12, 2021, 2:18 a.m. UTC | #3
Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:

> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
> > Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
> > schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
> > <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
> >  
> >> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
> >> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
> >>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
> >> insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
> >> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
> >> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
> >> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
> >> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
> >>                all          Inf ~#
> >>  ```
> >>  
> >> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
> >> +
> >> +### Motivation
> >> +
> >> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
> >> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
> >> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
> >> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
> >> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK
> >> root filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach +
> >> +Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
> >> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
> >> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
> >> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
> >> mounting the source code to be built,
> >> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
> >> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
> >> directory. +
> >> +### Solution
> >> +
> >> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
> >> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
> >> formats are:
> >> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
> >> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
> >> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
> >> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
> >> be imported with [`docker
> >> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cde173c00-e982-4fda-8644-47edf4671d63%40ad011.siemens.com%7Cd97fc3d66aed4a29eb8e08d8b6f20e68%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460498015543275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=1Ug2lVy%2F0mmsVu3GjTA6gYuOj9rp8gFNouuvUHkBKvQ%3D&amp;reserved=0)
> >> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
> >> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
> >> Daemon
> >> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
> >> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
> >> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
> >> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
> >> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +  
> > Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
> > better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
> > inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone
> > to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good
> > idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the build
> > system.  
> 
> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
> Skopeo,... are for.

I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake. Not
nice but can be done outside of a container.

> My first PoC was in fact just a shell script post-processing the TAR
> file. Technically feasible, but it doesn't feel like a comfortable
> workflow...

Doing that in bitbake is for sure the best solution, given it works.

> The initial idea was from Jan Kiszka (I forgot to add a
> "Suggested-by" to the commits) and after some discussion about the
> convenience of integrating it, I agreed that the workflow feels much
> better this way.
> 
> Skopeo can be used inside of Docker or Podman, it's in fact what I'm
> doing. What doesn't work is adding the container image to a Docker
> Daemon (unless you pass the Docker socket to the container, what I
> wouldn't do) or containers/storage system (mounting the storage
> directory, what I wouldn't do). IMO the target users should know how
> to handle docker-archives (I can add that "docker load" has to be
> used).

Maybe i am just confused by the two "(not supported from inside of a
container)". Does this mean one can not create the images, or not use
... or not both?
The answer should probably made more clear in the docs.

If creation works and only use fails, that is all fine. If creation
inside a container does not work ... i would refrain from writing that
code in bitbake and go post-process (extra shell script or only doc)
with it.

Henning

>   Silvano
> 
> >
> > Henning
> >  
> >> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
> >> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target image,
> >> f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
> >> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should be
> >> additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
> >> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
> >> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
> >> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
> >> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
> >> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt` contains a
> >> copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target debian packages
> >> (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK container and install
> >> required target packages with the help of `apt-get install
> >> <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The directory with the
> >> source code to develop on should be mounted on the container (with
> >> `--volume <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to
> >> edit files in the host with an IDE and build in the container. +
> >> +### Example +
> >> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
> >> +
> >> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
> >> +
> >> +```
> >> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
> >> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
> >> +```
> >> +
> >> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
> >> +
> >> +```
> >> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
> >> +```
> >> +
> >> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
> >> +
> >> +```
> >> +xzcat
> >> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
> >> | docker load +``` +
> >> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following
> >> commands starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
> >> +```
> >> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
> >> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
> >> +
> >> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
> >> +
> >> +```
> >> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
> >> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
> >> all Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
> >> +
> >>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
> >>  
> >>  ### Motivation  
>
Silvano Cirujano Cuesta Jan. 12, 2021, 4:52 a.m. UTC | #4
On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>
>> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
>>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>  
>>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>>>> insertions(+)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>>                all          Inf ~#
>>>>  ```
>>>>  
>>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>>>> +
>>>> +### Motivation
>>>> +
>>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
>>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>>>> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
>>>> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK
>>>> root filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach +
>>>> +Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
>>>> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
>>>> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
>>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
>>>> mounting the source code to be built,
>>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
>>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
>>>> directory. +
>>>> +### Solution
>>>> +
>>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
>>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
>>>> formats are:
>>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
>>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
>>>> be imported with [`docker
>>>> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Csilvano.cirujano-cuesta%40siemens.com%7C2e13fa7588f34212393508d8b6f43140%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460507195377080%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=oevvzWybG30IG2D1fMNPQRcfsfuvYSj1afdrIUF1ABw%3D&amp;reserved=0)
>>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
>>>> Daemon
>>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
>>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
>>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
>>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +  
>>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
>>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
>>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone
>>> to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good
>>> idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the build
>>> system.  
>> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
>> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
>> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
>> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
>> Skopeo,... are for.
> I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake. Not
> nice but can be done outside of a container.

Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious :-)

The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a container (e.g. kas-container).

If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.

If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.

I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.

>
>> My first PoC was in fact just a shell script post-processing the TAR
>> file. Technically feasible, but it doesn't feel like a comfortable
>> workflow...
> Doing that in bitbake is for sure the best solution, given it works.
Of course, it works! ;-)
>
>> The initial idea was from Jan Kiszka (I forgot to add a
>> "Suggested-by" to the commits) and after some discussion about the
>> convenience of integrating it, I agreed that the workflow feels much
>> better this way.
>>
>> Skopeo can be used inside of Docker or Podman, it's in fact what I'm
>> doing. What doesn't work is adding the container image to a Docker
>> Daemon (unless you pass the Docker socket to the container, what I
>> wouldn't do) or containers/storage system (mounting the storage
>> directory, what I wouldn't do). IMO the target users should know how
>> to handle docker-archives (I can add that "docker load" has to be
>> used).
> Maybe i am just confused by the two "(not supported from inside of a
> container)". Does this mean one can not create the images, or not use
> ... or not both?
> The answer should probably made more clear in the docs.
>
> If creation works and only use fails, that is all fine. If creation
> inside a container does not work ... i would refrain from writing that
> code in bitbake and go post-process (extra shell script or only doc)
> with it.

As mentioned above, running bitbake for building the SDK container image can be run from inside and outside of a container. The only difference is that running in a container the host shouldn't be reachable and therefore the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" shouldn't work.

If SDK_FORMAT = "tar", then only the currently existing format (tarballed root filesystem) gets generated. If SDK_FORMAT = "tar docker-archive", then you get both the old format and a docker image archive that can be loaded on any Docker installation.

Possible scenarios (probably too much information for the documentation):

- Project A has a build system that generates a SDK container running bitbake without a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="docker-daemon". After finalizing pushes the SDK docker image to a container image registry (docker push ...). Developers pull the SDK container image from the container image registry (docker pull ...), start a container based on the image and mounting the directory with the source code, edit the source code on the host IDE and build in the container with the provided SDK.

- Project B has a build system that generates a SDK container running bitbake with a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="tar docker-archive". Since the project doesn't have any container image registry, it distributes the container image using a network share. Team B1 do have a container image registry and distributes the image internally using it. BTW, without Team B1 project B wouldn't need anything but "tar".

Clearer now?

  Silvano

>
> Henning
>
>>   Silvano
>>
>>> Henning
>>>  
>>>> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
>>>> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target image,
>>>> f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
>>>> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should be
>>>> additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
>>>> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
>>>> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
>>>> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
>>>> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
>>>> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt` contains a
>>>> copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target debian packages
>>>> (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK container and install
>>>> required target packages with the help of `apt-get install
>>>> <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The directory with the
>>>> source code to develop on should be mounted on the container (with
>>>> `--volume <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to
>>>> edit files in the host with an IDE and build in the container. +
>>>> +### Example +
>>>> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
>>>> +
>>>> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
>>>> +
>>>> +```
>>>> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
>>>> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
>>>> +```
>>>> +
>>>> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
>>>> +
>>>> +```
>>>> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
>>>> +```
>>>> +
>>>> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
>>>> +
>>>> +```
>>>> +xzcat
>>>> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
>>>> | docker load +``` +
>>>> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following
>>>> commands starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
>>>> +```
>>>> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
>>>> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
>>>> +
>>>> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
>>>> +
>>>> +```
>>>> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
>>>> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>> all Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
>>>> +
>>>>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
>>>>  
>>>>  ### Motivation
Jan Kiszka Jan. 12, 2021, 4:56 a.m. UTC | #5
On 12.01.21 15:52, [ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta wrote:
> On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
>> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>
>>> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
>>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
>>>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>>  
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>>>>> insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>>>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>>>                all          Inf ~#
>>>>>  ```
>>>>>  
>>>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>>>>> +
>>>>> +### Motivation
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
>>>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>>>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>>>>> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
>>>>> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK
>>>>> root filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach +
>>>>> +Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
>>>>> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
>>>>> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
>>>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
>>>>> mounting the source code to be built,
>>>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
>>>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
>>>>> directory. +
>>>>> +### Solution
>>>>> +
>>>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
>>>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
>>>>> formats are:
>>>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>>>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
>>>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>>>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
>>>>> be imported with [`docker
>>>>> import`](https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/import/
>>>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>>>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
>>>>> Daemon
>>>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
>>>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
>>>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
>>>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>>>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +  
>>>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
>>>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
>>>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone
>>>> to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good
>>>> idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the build
>>>> system.  
>>> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
>>> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
>>> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
>>> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
>>> Skopeo,... are for.
>> I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake. Not
>> nice but can be done outside of a container.
> 
> Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious :-)
> 
> The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a container (e.g. kas-container).
> 
> If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.
> 
> If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.
> 
> I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.
> 

Those tools need to be documented as new Isar host dependencies IF
someone wants to build container images. Reasoning for choosing those
(implementation aspect) can also go into the commit log that adds the
bbclass.

Jan
Henning Schild Jan. 12, 2021, 5:11 a.m. UTC | #6
Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:52:53 +0100
schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:

> On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
> > Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
> > schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
> > <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>: 
> >> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:  
> >>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
> >>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
> >>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
> >>>    
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
> >>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
> >>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
> >>>> insertions(+)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
> >>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
> >>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
> >>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
> >>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf
> >>>> 12.3 all          Inf ~#
> >>>>  ```
> >>>>  
> >>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
> >>>> +
> >>>> +### Motivation
> >>>> +
> >>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
> >>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
> >>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
> >>>> using container images (at least for those using containers
> >>>> anyway) +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a
> >>>> normal SDK root filesystem the comfort of container images. +
> >>>> +### Approach + +Create container image with SDK root filesystem
> >>>> with installed cross-toolchain for target architecture and
> >>>> ability to install already prebuilt target binary artifacts.
> >>>> +Developer:
> >>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
> >>>> mounting the source code to be built,
> >>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container
> >>>> and
> >>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
> >>>> directory. +
> >>>> +### Solution
> >>>> +
> >>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
> >>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
> >>>> formats are:
> >>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
> >>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
> >>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
> >>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that
> >>>> can be imported with [`docker
> >>>> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cde173c00-e982-4fda-8644-47edf4671d63%40ad011.siemens.com%7C6debb708331c4458499308d8b709c297%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460599822778290%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=iAJ9RTgmXSiZJhSlqinclxLduxg1FXJYJ%2Bt8%2Beqc4g0%3D&amp;reserved=0)
> >>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
> >>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
> >>>> Daemon
> >>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
> >>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
> >>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO,
> >>>> buildah,...)
> >>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
> >>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +    
> >>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
> >>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
> >>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate
> >>> anyone to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task
> >>> is a good idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the
> >>> build system.    
> >> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
> >> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
> >> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
> >> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
> >> Skopeo,... are for.  
> > I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake.
> > Not nice but can be done outside of a container.  
> 
> Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious
> :-)
> 
> The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a
> container (e.g. kas-container).
> 
> If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats
> "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.
> 
> If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then
> the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.
> 
> I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the
> clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency
> on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.
> 
> >  
> >> My first PoC was in fact just a shell script post-processing the
> >> TAR file. Technically feasible, but it doesn't feel like a
> >> comfortable workflow...  
> > Doing that in bitbake is for sure the best solution, given it
> > works.  
> Of course, it works! ;-)
> >  
> >> The initial idea was from Jan Kiszka (I forgot to add a
> >> "Suggested-by" to the commits) and after some discussion about the
> >> convenience of integrating it, I agreed that the workflow feels
> >> much better this way.
> >>
> >> Skopeo can be used inside of Docker or Podman, it's in fact what
> >> I'm doing. What doesn't work is adding the container image to a
> >> Docker Daemon (unless you pass the Docker socket to the container,
> >> what I wouldn't do) or containers/storage system (mounting the
> >> storage directory, what I wouldn't do). IMO the target users
> >> should know how to handle docker-archives (I can add that "docker
> >> load" has to be used).  
> > Maybe i am just confused by the two "(not supported from inside of a
> > container)". Does this mean one can not create the images, or not
> > use ... or not both?
> > The answer should probably made more clear in the docs.
> >
> > If creation works and only use fails, that is all fine. If creation
> > inside a container does not work ... i would refrain from writing
> > that code in bitbake and go post-process (extra shell script or
> > only doc) with it.  
> 
> As mentioned above, running bitbake for building the SDK container
> image can be run from inside and outside of a container. The only
> difference is that running in a container the host shouldn't be
> reachable and therefore the formats "docker-daemon" and
> "containers-storage" shouldn't work.
> 
> If SDK_FORMAT = "tar", then only the currently existing format
> (tarballed root filesystem) gets generated. If SDK_FORMAT = "tar
> docker-archive", then you get both the old format and a docker image
> archive that can be loaded on any Docker installation.
> 
> Possible scenarios (probably too much information for the
> documentation):
> 
> - Project A has a build system that generates a SDK container running
> bitbake without a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="docker-daemon".
> After finalizing pushes the SDK docker image to a container image
> registry (docker push ...). Developers pull the SDK container image
> from the container image registry (docker pull ...), start a
> container based on the image and mounting the directory with the
> source code, edit the source code on the host IDE and build in the
> container with the provided SDK.
> 
> - Project B has a build system that generates a SDK container running
> bitbake with a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="tar docker-archive".
> Since the project doesn't have any container image registry, it
> distributes the container image using a network share. Team B1 do
> have a container image registry and distributes the image internally
> using it. BTW, without Team B1 project B wouldn't need anything but
> "tar".
> 
> Clearer now?

I think so. One bitbake call in a container will not work for most of
what you propose. It all needs another bitbake call outside ... which i
would call "post-processing". That is not nice, there is no need to even
write that in bitbake, maybe even harm because it leads people to
running isar native.

Lets face it, its again containers causing problems with containers.

I say add a few words to the documentation and let the container boys
deal with that stuff, outside of isar. In a code-base far far away. But
that is just my frustrated take from all the container crap that is
popping up all over the place, causing more problems than it solves.

Henning

> 
>   Silvano
> 
> >
> > Henning
> >  
> >>   Silvano
> >>  
> >>> Henning
> >>>    
> >>>> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
> >>>> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target
> >>>> image, f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
> >>>> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should
> >>>> be additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
> >>>> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
> >>>> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
> >>>> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
> >>>> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
> >>>> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt`
> >>>> contains a copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target
> >>>> debian packages (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK
> >>>> container and install required target packages with the help of
> >>>> `apt-get install <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The
> >>>> directory with the source code to develop on should be mounted
> >>>> on the container (with `--volume
> >>>> <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to edit
> >>>> files in the host with an IDE and build in the container. + +###
> >>>> Example +
> >>>> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
> >>>> +
> >>>> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
> >>>> +
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
> >>>> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +
> >>>> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
> >>>> +
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +
> >>>> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
> >>>> +
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +xzcat
> >>>> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
> >>>> | docker load +``` +
> >>>> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following
> >>>> commands starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
> >>>> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
> >>>> +
> >>>> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
> >>>> +
> >>>> +```
> >>>> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
> >>>> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
> >>>> all Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
> >>>> +
> >>>>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
> >>>>  
> >>>>  ### Motivation    
>
Silvano Cirujano Cuesta Jan. 12, 2021, 5:12 a.m. UTC | #7
On 12/01/2021 15:56, Jan Kiszka wrote:
> On 12.01.21 15:52, [ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta wrote:
>> On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
>>> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
>>>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
>>>>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>>>  
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>>>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>>>>>> insertions(+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>>>>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>>>>                all          Inf ~#
>>>>>>  ```
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +### Motivation
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
>>>>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>>>>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>>>>>> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
>>>>>> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK
>>>>>> root filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach +
>>>>>> +Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
>>>>>> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
>>>>>> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
>>>>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
>>>>>> mounting the source code to be built,
>>>>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
>>>>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
>>>>>> directory. +
>>>>>> +### Solution
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
>>>>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
>>>>>> formats are:
>>>>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>>>>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
>>>>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>>>>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
>>>>>> be imported with [`docker
>>>>>> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Csilvano.cirujano-cuesta%40siemens.com%7C6a0a8aa1fd304e41741b08d8b70a3f6c%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460601925357755%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=p7vacUr8Zs2X3zl183OaHjCLoTT8E10qXjkhWwC4N8c%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>>>>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
>>>>>> Daemon
>>>>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
>>>>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
>>>>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
>>>>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>>>>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +  
>>>>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
>>>>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
>>>>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone
>>>>> to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good
>>>>> idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the build
>>>>> system.  
>>>> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
>>>> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
>>>> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
>>>> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
>>>> Skopeo,... are for.
>>> I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake. Not
>>> nice but can be done outside of a container.
>> Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious :-)
>>
>> The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a container (e.g. kas-container).
>>
>> If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.
>>
>> If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.
>>
>> I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.
>>
> Those tools need to be documented as new Isar host dependencies IF
> someone wants to build container images. Reasoning for choosing those
> (implementation aspect) can also go into the commit log that adds the
> bbclass.

Host dependencies  can be declared, right? Can I somehow make those dependencies depend on SDK_FORMATS?

I'm not adding any new bbclass, only modifying the existing one. You mean patch "[RFC PATCH 1/2] sdk: support creation of container image"?

My first approach was adding a new bbclass, but find this approach is more cohesive.

  Silvano

>
> Jan
>
Jan Kiszka Jan. 12, 2021, 5:14 a.m. UTC | #8
On 12.01.21 16:12, Silvano Cirujano Cuesta wrote:
> 
> On 12/01/2021 15:56, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 12.01.21 15:52, [ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta wrote:
>>> On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
>>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
>>>> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:
>>>>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
>>>>>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
>>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>>>>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>>>>>>> insertions(+)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>>>>>                all          Inf ~#
>>>>>>>  ```
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +### Motivation
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
>>>>>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>>>>>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>>>>>>> using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
>>>>>>> +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK
>>>>>>> root filesystem the comfort of container images. + +### Approach +
>>>>>>> +Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed
>>>>>>> cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install
>>>>>>> already prebuilt target binary artifacts. +Developer:
>>>>>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
>>>>>>> mounting the source code to be built,
>>>>>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container and
>>>>>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
>>>>>>> directory. +
>>>>>>> +### Solution
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
>>>>>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
>>>>>>> formats are:
>>>>>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>>>>>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
>>>>>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>>>>>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can
>>>>>>> be imported with [`docker
>>>>>>> import`](https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/import/
>>>>>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>>>>>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
>>>>>>> Daemon
>>>>>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
>>>>>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
>>>>>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
>>>>>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>>>>>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +  
>>>>>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
>>>>>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
>>>>>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate anyone
>>>>>> to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task is a good
>>>>>> idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the build
>>>>>> system.  
>>>>> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
>>>>> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
>>>>> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
>>>>> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
>>>>> Skopeo,... are for.
>>>> I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake. Not
>>>> nice but can be done outside of a container.
>>> Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious :-)
>>>
>>> The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a container (e.g. kas-container).
>>>
>>> If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.
>>>
>>> If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.
>>>
>>> I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.
>>>
>> Those tools need to be documented as new Isar host dependencies IF
>> someone wants to build container images. Reasoning for choosing those
>> (implementation aspect) can also go into the commit log that adds the
>> bbclass.
> 
> Host dependencies  can be declared, right? Can I somehow make those dependencies depend on SDK_FORMATS?
> 

Only verbally, see beginning of user manual.

> I'm not adding any new bbclass, only modifying the existing one. You mean patch "[RFC PATCH 1/2] sdk: support creation of container image"?
> 

Ah, indeed.

> My first approach was adding a new bbclass, but find this approach is more cohesive.
> 

Fine with me.

Jan
Silvano Cirujano Cuesta Jan. 12, 2021, 6:26 a.m. UTC | #9
On 12/01/2021 16:11, Henning Schild wrote:
> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:52:53 +0100
> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>
>> On 12/01/2021 13:18, Henning Schild wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 13:03:18 +0100
>>> schrieb Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>: 
>>>> On 12/01/2021 12:40, Henning Schild wrote:  
>>>>> Am Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:33:38 +0100
>>>>> schrieb "[ext] Silvano Cirujano Cuesta"
>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com>:
>>>>>    
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Silvano Cirujano Cuesta
>>>>>> <silvano.cirujano-cuesta@siemens.com> ---
>>>>>>  doc/user_manual.md | 70
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 70
>>>>>> insertions(+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
>>>>>> --- a/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> +++ b/doc/user_manual.md
>>>>>> @@ -834,6 +834,76 @@ ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf
>>>>>> 12.3 all          Inf ~#
>>>>>>  ```
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> +## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +### Motivation
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following
>>>>>> the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root
>>>>>> filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier
>>>>>> using container images (at least for those using containers
>>>>>> anyway) +A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a
>>>>>> normal SDK root filesystem the comfort of container images. +
>>>>>> +### Approach + +Create container image with SDK root filesystem
>>>>>> with installed cross-toolchain for target architecture and
>>>>>> ability to install already prebuilt target binary artifacts.
>>>>>> +Developer:
>>>>>> + - runs a container based on the resulting container image
>>>>>> mounting the source code to be built,
>>>>>> + - develops applications for target platform on the container
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> + - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted
>>>>>> directory. +
>>>>>> +### Solution
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a
>>>>>> space-separated list of SDK formats to generate. +Supported
>>>>>> formats are:
>>>>>> + - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that
>>>>>> results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK
>>>>>> root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
>>>>>> + - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that
>>>>>> can be imported with [`docker
>>>>>> import`](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.docker.com%2Fengine%2Freference%2Fcommandline%2Fimport%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Csilvano.cirujano-cuesta%40siemens.com%7Cac350d26903a48f170ca08d8b70c52e7%7C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a%7C1%7C0%7C637460610844428609%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=fkge4VhJrr7UJtMrsWAGhIfG6i0Ho9Wf0eOGhLXA2Q8%3D&amp;reserved=0)
>>>>>> + - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container)
>>>>>> resulting container image is made available on the local Docker
>>>>>> Daemon
>>>>>> + - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a
>>>>>> container) resulting container image is made available to tools
>>>>>> using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO,
>>>>>> buildah,...)
>>>>>> + - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for
>>>>>> archiving as seed for any of the above formats +    
>>>>> Maybe a script to postprocess the one tarball we have would be a
>>>>> better option. I do not understand why skopeo can not be used
>>>>> inside docker or podman, but we _really_ should not motivate
>>>>> anyone to run isar plain. Otherwise i agree that a bitbake task
>>>>> is a good idea and much better than postprocessing outside of the
>>>>> build system.    
>>>> What do you mean by post-processing? I mean, a Docker image is
>>>> nothing else but a couple of JSON and TAR files using a fixed file
>>>> tree structure, with SHAs... But anyway writing something that does
>>>> it is like reinventing the wheel, that's what tools like Umoci,
>>>> Skopeo,... are for.  
>>> I mean some sort of script that needs to be called after bitbake.
>>> Not nice but can be done outside of a container.  
>> Hmmm, obviously, but seems to be so obvious for me isn't that obvious
>> :-)
>>
>> The additions DON'T NEED to run in a container, but CAN be run in a
>> container (e.g. kas-container).
>>
>> If running bitbake OUTSIDE of a container (e.g. VM), then the formats
>> "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" should work like a charm.
>>
>> If running bitbake INSIDE of a container (e.g. kas-container), then
>> the formats "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" won't work.
>>
>> I don't know if doc/user_manual.md is the right place for all the
>> clarifications that appear to be missing (this one and the dependency
>> on skopeo and umoci), but they are clearly needed.
>>
>>>  
>>>> My first PoC was in fact just a shell script post-processing the
>>>> TAR file. Technically feasible, but it doesn't feel like a
>>>> comfortable workflow...  
>>> Doing that in bitbake is for sure the best solution, given it
>>> works.  
>> Of course, it works! ;-)
>>>  
>>>> The initial idea was from Jan Kiszka (I forgot to add a
>>>> "Suggested-by" to the commits) and after some discussion about the
>>>> convenience of integrating it, I agreed that the workflow feels
>>>> much better this way.
>>>>
>>>> Skopeo can be used inside of Docker or Podman, it's in fact what
>>>> I'm doing. What doesn't work is adding the container image to a
>>>> Docker Daemon (unless you pass the Docker socket to the container,
>>>> what I wouldn't do) or containers/storage system (mounting the
>>>> storage directory, what I wouldn't do). IMO the target users
>>>> should know how to handle docker-archives (I can add that "docker
>>>> load" has to be used).  
>>> Maybe i am just confused by the two "(not supported from inside of a
>>> container)". Does this mean one can not create the images, or not
>>> use ... or not both?
>>> The answer should probably made more clear in the docs.
>>>
>>> If creation works and only use fails, that is all fine. If creation
>>> inside a container does not work ... i would refrain from writing
>>> that code in bitbake and go post-process (extra shell script or
>>> only doc) with it.  
>> As mentioned above, running bitbake for building the SDK container
>> image can be run from inside and outside of a container. The only
>> difference is that running in a container the host shouldn't be
>> reachable and therefore the formats "docker-daemon" and
>> "containers-storage" shouldn't work.
>>
>> If SDK_FORMAT = "tar", then only the currently existing format
>> (tarballed root filesystem) gets generated. If SDK_FORMAT = "tar
>> docker-archive", then you get both the old format and a docker image
>> archive that can be loaded on any Docker installation.
>>
>> Possible scenarios (probably too much information for the
>> documentation):
>>
>> - Project A has a build system that generates a SDK container running
>> bitbake without a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="docker-daemon".
>> After finalizing pushes the SDK docker image to a container image
>> registry (docker push ...). Developers pull the SDK container image
>> from the container image registry (docker pull ...), start a
>> container based on the image and mounting the directory with the
>> source code, edit the source code on the host IDE and build in the
>> container with the provided SDK.
>>
>> - Project B has a build system that generates a SDK container running
>> bitbake with a container selecting SDK_FORMAT="tar docker-archive".
>> Since the project doesn't have any container image registry, it
>> distributes the container image using a network share. Team B1 do
>> have a container image registry and distributes the image internally
>> using it. BTW, without Team B1 project B wouldn't need anything but
>> "tar".
>>
>> Clearer now?
> I think so. One bitbake call in a container will not work for most of
> what you propose. It all needs another bitbake call outside ... which i
> would call "post-processing". That is not nice, there is no need to even
> write that in bitbake, maybe even harm because it leads people to
> running isar native.

I'm not sure if we are on the same page...

bitbake -c populate_sdk ... runs in a container as long as neither "docker-daemon" nor "containers-storage" are in SDK_FORMATS.

I could simply remove "docker-daemon" and "containers-storage" from the list and everything would run INSIDE or OUTSIDE of a container.

>
> Lets face it, its again containers causing problems with containers.

It's not containers causing problems with containers. It's software contained by containers :-)

The reason for running the whole thing in a container doesn't have anything to do with this patch. The fact of running it in a container is posing certain limits to the whole environment and this patch is being affected by these limits. Let's say so, this patch (or the limitations if might face) is "just another victim" of the ISAR requirements that motivate the usage of containers.

In fact I wouldn't see the need for running this functionality inside a container in a Yocto environment (it's not really ISAR-specific and probably with small changes should work).

>
> I say add a few words to the documentation and let the container boys
> deal with that stuff, outside of isar. In a code-base far far away. But
> that is just my frustrated take from all the container crap that is
> popping up all over the place, causing more problems than it solves.

This is not for "container fanboys" or so, but rather "just another packaging". It's possible distributing the SDK root filesystem in a Debian package, or an RPM package, or an Alpine package, or an Arch package,... but distributing container images is in certain environments easier.

I've heard of more SDKs being distributed as container images, that's why I would expect the demand to exist. But I don't have so much contact with the ISAR users as most of you have to confirm it. That's why this is a RFC.

I can understand your frustration with containers. The question is if you can stand that frustration to reduce the frustration of the ISAR users (assuming this patch does so).

  Silvano

>
> Henning
>
>>   Silvano
>>
>>> Henning
>>>  
>>>>   Silvano
>>>>  
>>>>> Henning
>>>>>    
>>>>>> +User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target
>>>>>> platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target
>>>>>> image, f.e. +`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk
>>>>>> mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`. +Packages that should
>>>>>> be additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to
>>>>>> `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL`
>>>>>> (self-built). + +The resulting SDK formats are archived into
>>>>>> `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz`
>>>>>> (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in
>>>>>> `SDK_FORMATS`). +The SDK container directory `/isar-apt`
>>>>>> contains a copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target
>>>>>> debian packages (for <HOST_DISTRO>). +One may get into an SDK
>>>>>> container and install required target packages with the help of
>>>>>> `apt-get install <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command. +The
>>>>>> directory with the source code to develop on should be mounted
>>>>>> on the container (with `--volume
>>>>>> <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to edit
>>>>>> files in the host with an IDE and build in the container. + +###
>>>>>> Example +
>>>>>> + - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
>>>>>> +export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> + - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> + - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +xzcat
>>>>>> build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz
>>>>>> | docker load +``` +
>>>>>> + - Run a container using the SDK container image (following
>>>>>> commands starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container) +
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build"
>>>>>> isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest +```
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> + - Check that cross toolchains are installed
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +```
>>>>>> +:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
>>>>>> +ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3
>>>>>> all Informational list of cross-build-essential packages +```
>>>>>> +
>>>>>>  ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  ### Motivation

Patch

diff --git a/doc/user_manual.md b/doc/user_manual.md
index a4f3d1d..ff779b1 100644
--- a/doc/user_manual.md
+++ b/doc/user_manual.md
@@ -834,6 +834,76 @@  ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3                   all          Inf
 ~#
 ```
 
+## Create a "containerized" ISAR SDK root filesystem
+
+### Motivation
+
+Distributing and using the SDK root filesystem created following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)" becomes easier using container images (at least for those using containers anyway)
+A "containerized" SDK adds to those advantages of a normal SDK root filesystem the comfort of container images.
+
+### Approach
+
+Create container image with SDK root filesystem with installed cross-toolchain for target architecture and ability to install already prebuilt target binary artifacts.
+Developer:
+ - runs a container based on the resulting container image mounting the source code to be built,
+ - develops applications for target platform on the container and
+ - leaves the container getting the results on the mounted directory.
+
+### Solution
+
+User specifies the variable `SDK_FORMAT` providing a space-separated list of SDK formats to generate.
+Supported formats are:
+ - `tar`: is the default, is the non-containerized format that results from following the instructions in "[Create an ISAR SDK root filesystem](#create-an-isar-sdk-root-filesystem)"
+ - `docker-archive`: an archive containing a Docker image that can be imported with [`docker import`](https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/commandline/import/)
+ - `docker-daemon`: (not supported from inside of a container) resulting container image is made available on the local Docker Daemon
+ - `containers-storage`: (not supported from inside of a container) resulting container image is made available to tools using containers/storage back-end (e.g. Podman, CRIO, buildah,...)
+ - `oci-archive`: an archive containing an OCI image, mostly for archiving as seed for any of the above formats
+
+User manually triggers creation of SDK formats for his target platform by launching the task `do_populate_sdk` for target image, f.e.
+`bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:${MACHINE}-${DISTRO}:isar-image-base`.
+Packages that should be additionally installed into the SDK can be appended to `SDK_PREINSTALL` (external repositories) and `SDK_INSTALL` (self-built).
+
+The resulting SDK formats are archived into `tmp/deploy/images/${MACHINE}/sdk-${DISTRO}-${DISTRO_ARCH}-${sdk_format}.tar.xz` (being `sdk_format` each one of the formats specified in `SDK_FORMATS`).
+The SDK container directory `/isar-apt` contains a copy of isar-apt repo with locally prebuilt target debian packages (for <HOST_DISTRO>).
+One may get into an SDK container and install required target packages with the help of `apt-get install <package_name>:<DISTRO_ARCH>` command.
+The directory with the source code to develop on should be mounted on the container (with `--volume <host-directory>:<container-directory>`) to be able to edit files in the host with an IDE and build in the container.
+
+### Example
+
+ - Make the SDK formats to generate available to the task
+
+For one-shot builds (use `local.conf` otherwise):
+
+```
+export BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE="$BB_ENV_EXTRAWHITE SDK_FORMATS"
+export SDK_FORMATS="docker-archive"
+```
+
+ - Trigger creation of SDK root filesystem
+
+```
+bitbake -c do_populate_sdk mc:qemuarm-buster:isar-image-base
+```
+
+ - Load the SDK container image into the Docker Daemon
+
+```
+xzcat build/tmp/deploy/images/qemuarm/sdk-debian-buster-armhf-docker-archive.tar.xz | docker load
+```
+
+ - Run a container using the SDK container image (following commands starting with `#~:` are to be run in the container)
+
+```
+docker run --rm -ti --volume "$(pwd):/build" isar-sdk-buster-armhf:latest
+```
+
+ - Check that cross toolchains are installed
+
+```
+:~# dpkg -l | grep crossbuild-essential-armhf
+ii  crossbuild-essential-armhf           12.3                   all          Informational list of cross-build-essential packages
+```
+
 ## Creation of local apt repo caching upstream Debian packages
 
 ### Motivation